RedHat 8.0
September 29th, 2002 | by Tony Steidler-Dennison |Given my general impatience with waiting for new releases, I installed the RedHat 8.0 beta version on the machine in our offices yesterday evening. I took a bit to play with it beyond the install and came away with some initial impressions.
First off, I do understand the concerns of some of the Linux pursists out there regarding the desktop. The default desktop installation has a clear XP look and feel - heresy in the open source community. Rounded edges, the Redmond blue, similar button placement. While I think it was a good idea to simplify the desktop a bit, I’m not sure the default look and feel was the smartest thing RedHat could have done.
I selected the Desktop version from the install options. It seemed likely that this was the smallest version of the install. It’s clearly oriented toward the home user with office and multimedia apps aplenty, but no real technical underlying programs visible. For instance, the Gnome panel contained icons for word processing, spreadsheets and email, but no terminal icon. I was able to add a term app pretty easily, but then I’ve been digging in Linux (and RedHat, specifically) for more than six years. RedHat is truly walking a fine line with this approach. Will users who install the Desktop version want a terminal option? Maybe not.
The menus in the Desktop version are very simple. In fact, they’re the simplest menus I’ve seen in a major Linux distribution. Again, many of the higher level technical and admin-type programs have been stripped from the menus for the sake of simplification. While I was able to find most of the ones I regularly use, they weren’t present in the menus. Again, maybe it’s six of one, half-dozen of another.
I did notice, however, that in the Desktop version, apache was installed. This seems a bit wrongheaded if the idea is to create a desktop for new users. Httpd started at boot, as well. So here’s the philosophical dissonance of the Desktop version - a web server installed and booted by default in the installation designed for those who probably have no idea how to secure or administer it. It’s a security hole waiting to be cracked.
I’m not sure, but it actually felt like the code overhead for the new desktop was a bit heavier, as well. I had previously configured KDE to run very quickly on that machine. The new desktop seemed a bit sluggish, hesitating when launching apps and moving windows around. Maybe it’s the side-effect of a beta version. If not, there’s clearly still some work to do.
That’s about all I got the chance to look at in the hour or so I was in the office. I think I’ll re-install later in the week (probably with the release version) and select a different install option. I’m curious as to the differences between them and how the accessibility and visibility of the core Linux toolset varies from install to install.
















6 Responses to “RedHat 8.0”
By Denis E. Ambrose, Jr. on Sep 30, 2002 | Reply
Thanks for the heads-up Tony. I think I’ll wait to here what you have to say about the Pro version before I do anything.
By Denis E. Ambrose, Jr. on Sep 30, 2002 | Reply
Thanks for the heads-up Tony. I think I’ll wait to hear what you have to say about the Pro version before I do anything.
By Rajiv G Gunja on Oct 1, 2002 | Reply
Hi,
Nice set of comments. I thought I would hate it when I installed it. But actually, I like it better than Mandrake 9.0 Even though I hate gnome and basically a KDE person, this new interface of RH seems nice, clean and not as shabby as the other versions. If RH markets it right with Dell/HP/Gateway, then it would pick up faster than NT/2000 ever did for corporate desktop.
-GGR
By Michael Kleinpaste on Oct 7, 2002 | Reply
I’ve always avoided RH for a desktop install because they’ve always been aimed at servers and have had crappy desktop installs. I’ve run Mandrake all the way up to 8.2, and Suse up to 8.0.
I’ve never liked KDE as it has always had the MS feel to it. As for the “XP” feel of RH 8.0; it wasn’t there. The Bluecurve theme definately has it’s own feel, and it’s certainly not Redmond.
Aside from a few typical permissions issues with applets, like “modem lights”, everything works awesome, and without a hitch. The one draw back is the lack of MP3 support. But there was a fix for that before 8.0 was still in Limbo.
With the RH 8.0 desktop install they’ve created a killer desktop, with a killer set of apps. Even my wife, who’s not a Linux nut like me, likes it.
By MetaMorfo on Oct 7, 2002 | Reply
Well,
I’ve always thought that redhat was a tough distro, for server use, but this time they’ve come up with a new UI and it’s really cool. There are some bugs though. Email program Evolution crashed the first time I started it, and xmms cannot read my mp3’s (even though mpg123 can). But the most serious problem was at install time, when the process suddenly crashed on my athlon machine. I had to install it in text mode to get it working.
I think redhat can do better… maybe, let’s wait for the next release.
By K.K.Kumaroo on Oct 7, 2002 | Reply
7 October 2002
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